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Cllr  Lynne  Hale
Cllr  Yvette  Hopley
Cllr  Tim  Pollard

East Surrey Transport Committee Meeting
20/11/2014 09:41:00......Posted by Yvette Hopley

There follows a report from one of the members of the East Surrey Transport Committee.  The report highlights some of the pressures on our busy rail service and some of the improvements that we can look forward to.


As requested by the ESTC Network Rail has cut back the growth from the embankment encroaching onto the pavement in Carlton Road.

A height barrier has been erected on the approach to the Sanderstead Station car-park from Mayfield Road.  This is to stop “Travellers” from setting up a camp in the car-park.

There are ongoing problems on the East Grinsted/Uckfield line.  They are varied so Southern and Network Rail are paying special attention to the problems.

Uckfield Line

A new Electrification RUS is due out in 2015 which is expected to increase the number of routes to be electrified. It is hoped that the Uckfield line will be included.

The platforms in the stations on the Uckfield line are being lengthened for longer diesel trains.  They will be longer than necessary so that they will be long enough for 12 coach electric trains.

Sussex Area Route Study

The guest speaker was Paul Best, Network Planning, Network Rail.  He came to talk about the Sussex Area Route Study.

The Sussex Route Utilisation Strategy (RUS) published in 2010 described the improvements to the Southern Area in Control Period 5 (2014 t0 2019) to meet the expected demand on the railway. The improvements in Control Period 5 include an additional platform at Redhill that is due to be finished in 2017 and the rebuilding of London Bridge Station for the Thames Link Programme.

The Sussex Area Route Study is for the improvements required after 2019.  The study has forecast that 4 extra trains will be required on the Brighton Main line by 2023 and 6 more by 2043.  The Area Route Study identifies the improvements required during Control Period 6 (2019 to 2024) to achieve the additional capacity required.

The study also says that the time keeping on the Brighton Main Line is below the national average,  T%his is because there are too many flat junctions on the Southern.

The Study identifies 6 pinch points on the Brighton Main Line that limit capacity and cause delays:

·   Victoria Station

·   Clapham Junction

·   Windmill Bridge Junction (the junction between Selhurst, Norwood Junction, West Croydon and East Croydon.

·   East Croydon Station

·   Stoats Nest Junction

·   Keymer Junction (the junction where the line to Lewes leaves the Brighton Main Line between Wivelsfield and Burgess Hill

Victoria Station

There is a shortage of main line platforms at Victoria Station.  At the present time a few Southern trains use platform 8 but in order to do so, have to use Southeastern tracks which reduces the capacity of the Southeastern side of the station. It is intended to provide a direct connection from platform 8 to the Southern tracks bypassing the Southeastern tracks.  In order to do so 4 of the supports for the shopping centre above the station will have to be moved.

Clapham Junction

The delays at Clapham Junction are caused by extended dwell times in the peak period.  It is intended to connect Victoria end platforms 16 and 17 (the platforms for the West London Line) to the line to Victoria so giving additional platforms for the trains to and from Victoria.  It is intended that the fast trains will use platforms 12, 13 and 14 and the local trains platforms 15 and 16.  Platform 17 will be used for the West London Line.  There will have to be major engineering work at the East Croydon end of the station because the platforms will have to be lengthened under the houses at the southern end of the station.

Windmill Bridge Junction

This is the busiest junction on British Railways with over 1600 trains a day and can cause major delays.  It is intended to provide a grade separated junction between the Victoria and London Bridge lines.  This will be a flyover or fly-under.  Network Rails preference is for a flyover but this would have to pass over the present flyover.  The advantage of a flyover is that it would cause less disruption to services while it was being built.  Also the connection between the local lines from Victoria to the West Croydon line will be lengthened to allow 12 coach trains to wait for access to West Croydon without blocking the Victoria local lines.

In Control Period 7 it is hoped to rebuild West Croydon Station and it may be necessary to provide to provide 3 tracks between Windmill Bridge Junction and West Croydon Station.

East Croydon Station

East Croydon Station is working to maximum capacity and so it is intended to provide two extra platforms and decking over the station to provide more circulating space.  This will be achieved by moving platform 1 and 2 towards platform 3.  There used to be a 3rd track between platforms 2 and 3 so there is room to move platforms 1 and 2.  The new platforms will have to be to the north of the current platforms in order to make room for the connections to the new platforms without having to rebuild the road bridge.  The decking will provide access to the new platforms.

Stoats Nest Junction.

It is intended to provide a grade separated junction between the up fast and up slow lines to avoid conflicting movements which cause delays on the down fast line.

Keymer Junction.

It is intended to provide a grade separated junction here to eliminate conflicting movements and reduce delays.  Wivelsfield station will have to be rebuilt as well.


All these changes will be expensive.  However Windmill Bridge Junction is the busiest junction on the railway system and East Croydon is busier than either Reading or Birmingham New Street both of which are having multimillion pound makeovers at the present time.


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Burglaries in Riddlesdown
16/01/2019 07:55:00.......Posted by Tim Pollard

Sadly there were four burglaries on the Sanderstead/Purley Oaks & Riddlesdown border over last weekend. I report it here from a Sanderstead perspective as I suspect criminals do not feel constrained by ward boundaries!

According to the local police team two were on Mitchley Avenue and two were on Ingleboro Drive. Access was gained via the rear of property. Various items were taken including jewellery and laptops. Two males aged 15-20 years old were seen hiding in a front garden bush on Ingleboro Drive when a resident called police, but both had run away prior to police arrival.
The SNT have responded by arranging for extra patrols in the area from a different unit, to boost the number of patrols.
The SNT say that side access and rear of the property are where homes can be vulnerable. Side gates should be secured with a lock/padlock that is not reached by learning your arm over. If the gate is 6ft tall you can consider trellis or intruder excluder spikes on top. Bins should be locked in behind the gate so they can't be used as a ladder. Rear fences should be secure and can also have intruder excluder or trellis on top as this is not easy for suspects to climb/gain access. Sheds should be secured and do not leave garden tools out that can be used to gain entry.

Here is a link to the SNT's crime prevention advice. There is good advice on locks, security and a walk around house showing what we recommend.



Diversion to 403 bus - UPDATE
15/01/2019 09:46:00.......Posted by Tim Pollard

Users of the 403 bus are quite rightly fuming about the decision to divert the route through Selsdon due to the collapsed sewer near the Croham Arms in South Croydon. Instead of doing a tight diversion to avoid the congestion there, the route has changed completely such that Selsdon Road, Carlton/Mayfield Road, Sanderstead Road and Sanderstead Hill get no service. To divert around a stretch of road covering 100 yards the diversion is running for over two miles. 

That surely can't be the best way to do it? We are pressing the council and TfL to think again and come up with a better plan. The works are scheduled to run until at least 25 Jan, so we think finding a way that enables bus users to carry on using the route should be a priority.

UPDATE 16/01/2019 - TfL now believe the diversion can be removed on Sunday 20th, which is clearly better than we had first been told. GLA Assembly Member Steve O'Connell is pressing them to be more creative in their thinking about future diversions. Whilst we accept that the repair is taking place in a difficult place, with double deckers unable to navigate a number of low bridges in the locality, it must have been possible to come up with a less disruptive diversion, perhaps by temporarily using single decker buses.



Bins Overflowing - Yew Tree Court
11/01/2019 17:53:00.......Posted by Yvette Hopley


At the risk of sounding repetative, the bins at Yew Tree Court have not been collected since before Xmas.  This has been particularly distressing for our most vulnerable of residents in the assisted living home.  Some of the resident are in their 90's and are blind or have carers so struggle with the system of getting the refuse into the right bins but they are doing their best.  The problem is that because the bins haven't been collected for such a long time they are having to leave the additional refuse alongside  the wheeled bins for collection.  I went to to Yew Tree Court to speak to the manager and try to ensure that the missed collections were correctly registered as the address was coming up as not recorded on the council system for collections.  This has now been rectified and fingers crossed the refuse and recycling will be collected tomorrow.



Bins Overflowing - Montana Close
11/01/2019 17:47:00.......Posted by Yvette Hopley


Yet again the bin stores at Montana Close are overflowing.  Since Xmas the bins stores have not been cleared by the refuse collection team.  Despite residents contacting the council and reporting on line it was only when the local councillors intervened on a number of occasions that the bins were finally cleared today.  Several weeks of refuse was becoming extremely smelly and unpleasant.  Once again I hope that normal service resumes.



Heathhurst Road Refuse Collections
11/01/2019 17:37:00.......Posted by Yvette Hopley


Residents at a block of flats in Heathhurst Road have not had any collections since before Xmas.  Despite residents and the house manager constantly contacting the council the bins and refuse remained uncollected.  I contacted the council on several occasions and only today was the rubbish collected.  It seems that if the bins are overflowing, not fault of the residents, because collections have been missed the operators then refuse to empty the bins and take the extra rubbish.  I have asked that a normal service be resumed and we just hope that the residents don't have to suffer with decaying waste in front of their homes again.



People forced to dump waste at recycling centres
09/01/2019 09:38:00.......Posted by Tim Pollard


Croydon Council continues to fail to offer a reliable dooorstep collection service, so in desperation residents are taking their waste to the various neighbourhood recycling centres around the borough. There they often find the bins overflowing and incapable of taking any more. so they try to do the right thing and leave the waste next to the right bins rather than fly tip it. This was the scene at the recycling centre in Hamsey Green this morning, crammed bins and recyclable materials piled up everywhere, as a result of chaotic collection services over Christmas.

But be warned, even though the council is ultimately to blame for the service failures, it still believes it is entitled to pursue anyone who leaves materials anywhere other than fully inside a recycling container for fly tipping. Yes, that's right, if you leave your recycling next to full recycling container, the council thinks you're a fly tipper. A number of residents have been prosecuted by the council on this basis (where they have, for example, left a readable address label on a box) and there have been several high-profile campaigns to get it to see sense when pursuing someone who was trying hard to do the right thing. I think this is mad and the council should never be pursuing people who have tried hard to act responsibility but been let down by the council's inability to manage its services correctly.



Bus route consultation
07/01/2019 11:53:00.......Posted by Tim Pollard

Transport for London (TfL) is currently consulting on a number of changes to Croydon's bus routes and some of these particularly impct on Sanderstead. Should you have views on this, the  consultation website is at the following address: 

The email address for comments is - 

There is also a survey that can be completed but this is more useful if you are a regular user of a route as it does ask how often you use each individual service. 

I have quite a lot of concerns about the proposals, so have pasted below a summary of the feedback I have given TfL as a ward councillor:

Below are my comments as a ward councillor for an affected area and as the leader of the Conservative group on Croydon Council.

I have concerns over many of these proposals and will itemise some specific worries below. I would also make the general comment that many of the changes relating to the overall connection strategy for Croydon, and in particular the changes to connections in the town centre, seem likely to reduce the appeal of using buses for cross-borough journeys and are potentially discriminatory against people with any mobility limitation. Across public bodies we are being urged to incentivise the reduction in car usage and a well designed bus network with quick and easy transfers where no through route can be sustained are an important contributor to taking people out of their cars. I am most likely to take a bus where it takes me directly from where I am to where I want to go. I am less likely to do so if it involves a change and a second wait, but where the incoming and outgoing buses are at the same transfer point. i am least likely to take a bus where I have to walk a significant distance between arrival and departure points. That’s more of a problem in the winter when it is cold and wet, and even more so for people for whom walking is more difficult.

The consultation document says that accessing West Croydon or Croydon University Hospital can easily be achieved on routes such as the 60, 64, 109 and 198 by changing at mid-Croydon along Wellesley Road, but the incoming buses from the south of the borough terminate at Katharine Street (154, 403, 405 and 412) which is at least 100m away. For many residents this is not a show-stopper, but for some residents it may well be: and for all residents it is a chilly inconvenience which makes using the bus less attractive. 

Further, the termination of these southern routes at Katharine Street limits the appeal of using these buses to access the Whitgift Centre. It is a reasonably significant walk (750m) to get to Marks & Spencer (say) from Katharine Street, probably too much for many older or less mobile residents.

Sanderstead residents are most likely to use the 403 and 412 routes and this part of the borough is already low on bus provision. The 412 was reduced as a service on 1st September yet is the only route through the Riddlesdown area and the Elmfield Way area of South Croydon. The 403 runs from Warlingham and through Sanderstead where it intersects with the 412. The proposed changes, coupled with the reduction in service already suffered, can only result in reducing usage further and this might be used to justify a further reduction in the services in the future.

I know that colleagues with knowledge of the bus routes operating in other areas have similar concerns, so I would urge TfL to rethink the entire strategy focusing on Croydon to ensure that transitions are made easier, not harder, and that routes finish at the place residents are most likely to be trying to get to, rather than places which are most administratively convenient.



Sewer maintenance, Limpsfield Road
07/01/2019 09:49:00.......Posted by Tim Pollard

Last week there was significant traffic chaos due to the need for Thames Water to replace part of a failing sewer opposite Gresham School on Limpsfield Road. At the time we were advised that this would be in place until 25 Jan 2019, but then the traffic lights mysteriously disappeared. Today we learn that the works have been postponed pending a reschedule, and we'll be advised later of the new start time.

We will press for the works to be as short as possible and for the light control at peak hours to be manually controlled, that being the most likely way to minimise the jams that are inevitable.

I will post again when we have a new start time.



19 Limpsfield Road Sanderstead
03/01/2019 17:12:00.......Posted by Yvette Hopley

Thames Water are dealing with a sewer failure at the above location.  To enable the works it is necessary to erect temporary two way lights. Due to the complex nature of the repair, it is expected the lights to be in place until 25th January  The lights will be manually controlled through peak flows to ease congestion.



Beech Avenue Resurfacing
02/01/2019 14:20:00.......Posted by Yvette Hopley

After some persuasion and numerous emails from your local councillors I am pleased to say that FM Conway will be commencing the resurfacing of part of Beech Avenue.  Residents should have received the following information explaining when the work will take place.  The location/s and date/s are below:

Date: 16th to  18th  January 2019 between 08:00-17:00

Location: Beech Avenue 

To enable the Contractor to undertake the works, on-street parking will be suspended during works hours.  We also kindly ask that with forward planning vehicular access to and from properties adjacent to the road are reduced to a minimum during the works hours. Pedestrian access will not be affected.

Advance driver / resident information boards will be in place before the works commence, advising of the precise dates and times of the road closure.

Please however note that unforeseen circumstances (e.g. inclement weather conditions) may necessitate a change to the scheduled dates and information on road signs will be changed accordingly. Please check the road signs regularly for any updates

The resurfacing works will take place : Sec 1 : Purley Downs   to  Balmoral Gardens   -   Sec 2 :  Prop No: 23    to    Purley Oaks Road   .

Due to the nature of these works it is inevitable that some disruption will occur. For this reason it is recommended that where possible you use alternative routes, or allow extra time to complete your journey.

The on-street parking suspensions that will be in place within the works area are 07:30-17:00 on 16th  to  18th  January  2019. No parking for residents on the highway in the areas covered by the enforcement signs.

 Please note that penalty charge notices (PCN’s) will be applied to vehicles parked within the suspended areas during the works hours and/or vehicles relocated.

 Due to the above we would urge all residents to ensure that their vehicles are moved from the suspended areas in order to avoid any delays to the works as well as incurring any charges.

 If your vehicle is relocated please contact the LBC on 020 8726 6000 Ext 52816, who will provide you with an exact location of your vehicle.

 We are extremely sorry for the inconvenience this may cause residents; however we want to ensure that all works carried out on the Croydon network are to the highest standards to ensure value for our residents.

 Beware Bogus Callers

Croydon Council does not permit its employees or contractors to undertake work on private property during the course of any scheme. If anyone offers such work they will not be a council approved contractor and should be treated with caution. Any scheme undertaken by a council approved contractor does not require cash payments.

Cold calling doorstep traders offering to carry out home maintenance work such as driveway repairs and roofing are a problem in Croydon. These traders can be very persuasive and can intimidate you into agreeing to have work undertaken. The advice from Croydon Trading Standards Service is to say “NO” to all cold calling traders – Every Time. If they will not leave or you get into difficulties, then call Croydon Trading Standards on

020 8407 1311

Thank you for your cooperation whilst we carry out this essential upgrade. If you require any further information do not hesitate to contact us by email: or tel: 020 8726 6000 Ext 52816.




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