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Cllr  Luke  Clancy
Cllr  Mario  Creatura
Cllr  Ian  Parker

Letter to Cllr Newman about Woodmansterne Water Treatment Works upgrade and lagoon
18/08/2015 14:11:00......Posted by Mario Creatura


Councillor Tony Newman

Leader of the Council

London Borough of Croydon

Leader’s Office

Town Hall

Katharine Street



18th August 2015

Dear Councillor Newman,

RE: Woodmansterne Water Treatment Works upgrade and lagoon.

We three Coulsdon West councillors and GLA Member Steve O’Connell would appreciate you and the Council taking the time to investigate the proposed development of Woodmansterne Water Treatment Works.

Over the past few weeks we have been contacted by a large number of residents, as well as several of our local residents’ associations, about the proposed Sutton and East Surrey Water’s plans to construct a waste water lagoon on Drake's field.

We are particularly concerned that construction traffic, for the next three years, will use Chipstead Valley Road.

It has been suggested that the construction traffic could use Holly Lane and the A217, although this may not be realistic. It would be appreciated if the Council could investigate the practicality of all options.

Council officers have suggested that Croydon was not notified of the application to build the lagoon as it technically falls in the area of Reigate and Banstead/Surrey County Council. As this also affects a high number of Coulsdon West/Croydon residents, it would be appreciated if planning officers could advise whether this is a breach of consultation and planning protocol highlighting what steps could be taken to remedy this.

It has been suggested that to mitigate the impact on the already congested Chipstead Valley Road that Croydon Council could contact those relevant authorities to ask if a planning condition may be inserted requiring that the developers cannot use Chipstead Valley Road and restrict hours of work to 8am to 6pm. This would ensure any additional pressure on narrow and busy local roads is restricted to times when the majority of our residents will not be using them.


Your swift support on this matter would be appreciated.

Kind Regards,

Cllr Mario Creatura

Cllr Jeet Bains

Cllr Luke Clancy

Steve O’Connell, GLA Member Croydon and Sutton)


(Cllr Paul Scott, Chair of the Planning Committee)

(Chris Philp MP, Croydon South)

(Coulsdon West Residents’ Association)

Response from a Council Officer: received on 19th August

'I can confirm that planning permission was granted by Reigate and Banstead Borough Council on 24th June 2015 for the construction of the soakaway lagoon, the installation of pipework between the new lagoon and the existing works, an access road to the site from Rectory Lane and associated landscaping at Woodmansterne Water Treatment Works (reference 14/02077/F). Attached is a copy of the decision notice and site layout FYI.

During the course of the processing of a planning application close to the boundary with an adjoining authority it is normal practise to consult that authority. I have been in liaison with my counterpart at R&B and he has confirmed that notification was not sent to us, so we did not have the opportunity to comment on the proposals. That being said, we are not a Statutory Consultee and it does not alter the fact that planning permission has been granted. Even if we had been consulted and had objected, R&B are still within their right to grant planning permission.

I understand the key concern of Croydon residents relates to use of Chipstead Valley Road for construction traffic, particularly around school opening and closing times. As you can see from the decision notice, no conditions were imposed in relation to this. However, I have raised this point with Darren Williams (Neighbourhood Development Manager at R&B) and he assures me that the developer has been co-operative and positive towards community liaison and involvement to date. Darren has informed me today that he has been in dialogue with the developer and they will be engaging with the community groups/Reigate Cllrs/Croydon Cllrs/MPs and supports my request for joint working. To this effect they are taking seriously the concerns about traffic impacts and will be adopting a strategy that meets their needs but adopts practices, routes and times to manage impact.

Therefore the way forward on this is ultimately a dialogue between the planners at R&B and the developer, in consultation with residents. Darren will be leading on this for R&B. I have forwarded him Chris Philp’s and Cllr Creatura, Cllr Bains, Cllr Clancy and Steve O’Connell’s letters of 17th and 18th August respectively, both attached, so he is fully aware of our concerns.

So you are aware of the two applications currently with R&B (ref: 14/02077/DETO4 & 14/02077/DET03), they relate to discharge of conditions for landscaping and fencing.

I hope this is of assistance and clarifies the position from Croydon’s perspective.'

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 Other Blog Posts

Coptic Church - Coulsdon
07/09/2018 14:34:00.......Posted by Ian Parker

Delighted to have been invited along with ecumenical and other representatives to hear His Eminence Archbishop Angaelos speak on the integration of the Coptic Church in society. 

The Coptic Church, St Mary & St Shenouda on Rickman Hill, Coulsdon provided the perfect setting for an inspirational address by the Archbishop.

A tour of the impressive church after the address was the 'icing on the cake'. 



Residents' Associations - Stewards Night
06/09/2018 10:58:00.......Posted by Ian Parker

I attended a joint meeting of Hartley and District and East Coulsdon Residents’ Associations at which their road stewards were warmly thanked for their good work on behalf of the two associations.

It was a great opportunity to thank the association members for their good work delivering leaflets and collecting subscriptions throughout the year.  Also an opportunity to thank the organisers of both residents’ associations for their sterling work fighting to preserve what's good about Purley and Coulsdon. Councillors have a good working relationship with the residents’ associations.  Long may this continue and thank you to the organisers of the ‘Stewards Night’.



Details to re-register for a doctor following the closure of Dr Khan's surgery
31/08/2018 16:35:00.......Posted by Mario Creatura

We've now had in confirmed that Coulsdon Medical Practice, a single-handed practice run by Dr Jamil Khan, is closing permanently on 26 October 2018.

NHS Croydon Clinical Commissioning Group have written to the patients currently registered at his practice to advise them of the closure. A list of nearby practices which all have room on their register for extra patients is included here:


1B Bramley Avenue, Coulsdon CR5 2DR. Tel: 020 8660 0193

*this is a very small practice with a limited number of registrations available


59 Tollers Lane, Old Coulsdon CR5 1BF. Tel: 01737 556880


70 Brighton Road, Purley CR8 2LJ. Tel: 020 8660 8292

Old Coulsdon medical practice

2A Court Avenue, Old Coulsdon CR5 1HF. Tel: 01737 558288


MAIN SITE: 32 Foxley Lane, Purley CR8 3EE. Tel: 020 8763 5620

branch surgery: 140 Chipstead Valley Road, Coulsdon CR5 3BB

They are also holding drop in sessions for patients who wish to discuss next steps and registering with a new practice:

Saturday 8th Sept 10 – 12 noon

Monday 10th Sept 10 – 12 noon

Wednesday 19th Sept 11-1 pm

Wednesday 26th Sept 5.30 – 7.30 pm

All will be held at the Coulsdon Methodist Church, 83 Brighton Road, CR5 2BE.



New waste regime - impact on those with mobility issues?
30/08/2018 17:21:00.......Posted by Mario Creatura


I've just sent in this question to Cllr Stuart Collins, Labour's waste and recycling chief, to find out how much consultation and mitigation work has been done to ensure those with mobility issues will not be adverslly affected by the big increase in street bins that his reforms are necessitating across Croydon.

With many streets where the front door opens up directly onto the path, no side alley or other location for storing the bins, having them on the street may cause significant issues for some residents.

I'll update the blog as soon as I hear back from Cllr Collins.

'The Cabinet Member is currently overseeing the rollout of a dramatic change in the way Croydon is processing our waste and recycling, which is understandably causing some difficulties for many residents.

Many of the properties across Croydon have small frontages, with no front gardens and front doors immediately off pavements. This means that the three full-size bins will often be blocking the public high way.

Could the Cabinet Member please:

1. Publish the list of streets in the borough assessed to have small frontages. Those being properties where the front door is immediately on the pavement, there is no front garden or area for storage and no side passage for storage.

2. Publish the results of any formal consultation and correspondence with organisations like the Croydon Disability Forum and Croydon Vision who represent the many residents who will be impacted by the practicalities of the waste and recycling changes.

3. Detail guidance for any resident with mobility issues who may find their path regularly obstructed by these bins

4. Outline the communications plan for how and when these residents and organisations will be informed of this advice.’



Impact of potential House of Fraser closure
02/08/2018 14:13:00.......Posted by Mario Creatura


I've just asked Cllr Shahul-Hameed, Labour's economic Cabinet member, a question about the recent news that House of Fraser may be in danger of collapsing. You can read more about it online.

'For some months now there has been speculation about the future viability of House of Fraser, a business you'll know has a base in the Croydon Centrale Shopping Centre.

A planned rescue deal worth some £70m has recently collapsed, putting the business and its 6,000 direct members of staff nationally in danger of permanent closure.

Could you please outline what meetings you have personally had with House of Fraser to assess the impact of recent events on the Croydon store?

Could you please outline all that you are doing to try to safeguard the future of the store in Croydon?

Should House of Fraser fall into administration, can you release any information about what you understand will happen to replace its very large footprint in the Centrale Centre?

What impact willl the closure of House of Fraser have on the Westfield/Hammerson development that's currently in process?'



Bourne Society Blue Plaque
27/07/2018 11:54:00.......Posted by Ian Parker

I was pleased to attend the unveiling of a Bourne Society Blue Plaque commemorating the 1910 train crash in Coulsdon when seven people were killed after the Brighton to London Victoria Express split into two when passing points at the now closed Coulsdon North station. The rear part of the train derailed and crashed into the platform at 40 mph.

The unveiling of the plaque took place at the top of Station Approach Road, Coulsdon.  Excellent turnout of community/residents' representatives including scout leaders.  Scouts assisted with the rescue at the time of the crash and it's right that this should be remembered.



Purley & Coulsdon Clubs for the Elderly (PACE)
25/07/2018 15:57:00.......Posted by Ian Parker

I was delighted to attend their AGM and to meet their new Chairman Mrs Patricia Painter (yes – she insists on Chairman not Chair which is “a piece of furniture!”).  We wish her well in her new role.  Jim the retiring Chairman will remain involved with the important work of the organisation for which all members present were grateful.

PACE has a strong and growing committee and tribute was quite rightly paid to the many volunteers who help with lifts for members and organising a fantastic range of events from dominoes, bingo, quizzes to flower arranging, trips and painting.  The paintings were proudly displayed at the Centre where the AGM was held.

I was particularly pleased to hear that school children support the Centre by organising events. 

“Respect your Oldies – your turn will come sooner than you think!” was a message on the wall at the Centre.  I certainly respect the good work of PACE and was grateful for the invitation.



Labour push through unwanted traffic scheme at Woodcote High
13/07/2018 11:45:00.......Posted by Mario Creatura


Despite the objections of Coulsdon Town Councillors, local MP Chris Philp, every Residents' Association and hundreds of local people - our Labour-dominated Traffic Management Committee last night forced through unpopular plans to restrict parents and local residents driving in the area around Woodcite High School.

Cllrs Luke Clancy and Ian Parker joined residents in speaking against the plans. Here is what they said at the meeting:

Cllr Clancy

"My view on this scheme has changed over time. Initially I was receptive to the perceived benefits of displacing parking within a wider circumference of the schools.

But now I think whilst this policy could aim to solve one problem it has in fact created other challenges. Residents feel the displaced vehicles have a detrimental effect on road safety in the surrounding roads outside the pedestrianised zone, especially the Chase and Grove Wood Hill. These roads now experience blocked driveways, congestion and the type of unsafe driving practices previously complained of in the Dunsfold Rise loop.

Opposition to the scheme by residents of these roads has been evidenced by 2 petitions I am aware of received by this Council.

My view is that the benefits of the pilot are inconclusive and a permanent order should not be made for Woodcote. I support the aim of making the roads around the schools safer and less polluted. But the level of disruption that these restrictions have caused to residents has undermined any advantages the scheme may have.

Proof that the scheme has improved safety, cut pollution and increased alternative methods of transport is scant. It would seem parents are just parking a few streets further away.

It is a shame that the scheme was introduced before baseline data could be collected that would have given a more scientific basis to the experiment.

The report also rolls the three schools into one, with no real distinction between the very different areas and levels of objection. It would be wrong to give the committee a single vote on both areas.

The scheme should be abandoned or at the very least the experimental order be extended for Woodcote to consider modifications. The committee can defer decision for a further eight months as that is the period under which the experimental traffic order can continue to operate. During that time a fuller consultation can be carried out and more data gathered. Residents would welcome a full study and referendum of all roads affected, with the option both of termination or more mitigation if the scheme is eventually approved.

For example, while the installation of a new pedestrian crossing in Woodcote Grove Road is to be welcomed, parents would like to see increased public transport provision to support the objectives of the scheme. Parents and children cannot be expected to abandon the car unless that is balanced with extra public transport capacity to travel to school. The area is not as well served by buses compared a more urban area like South Norwood. This is another reason, for the purposes of this decision, the two sites should not be considered together.

If the committee was minded to implement the scheme permanently it might also consider a compromise solution that would take the some of pressure off nearby roads bearing vehicle displacement. The ANPR system could be used to regulate traffic flow more evenly by permitting some proportion of parents, such as those with the youngest children, to park in the Dunsfold Rise loop. The scheme could then continue in a modified fashion that better distributes parking across all roads around the schools."

Cllr Parker

"As a ward councillor for Coulsdon Town covering the area of restricted access by the Woodcote schools I’m grateful for the opportunity to comment following the pilot scheme.

The recommendation in the Report before you is that you consider carefully the objections raised as a result of the consultation exercise. These are significant in terms of numbers and severity.

The Committee this evening has a golden opportunity to demonstrate the Council’s commitment to be a listening council and at the same time end the severe problems created in the displaced areas around the Woodcote schools.

Traffic levels have increased in neighbouring roads. Whilst there are recognisable problems on roads nearest to the school the negative impact on surrounding roads more than outweighs any gains made in roads closer to the schools.

Obstructions to the traffic flow on Woodcote Grove Road have been evidenced creating road safety issues for motorists and pedestrians, particularly children from the Primary and students from the High School.

There is a danger that the much welcomed safety improvements recently introduced on Woodcote Grove Road with the introduction of a pedestrian crossing will be negated by the impact of restricted access near the schools.

But the displacement problems are not restricted to Woodcote Grove Road and our concerns are justifiably shared by residents on The Vale, The Horseshoe and Warwick Road.

As Chair of Governors at Woodcote High School until May this year I have first-hand experience of the difficulties and potential dangers to students arising as a result of this scheme.

I know committee members will listen carefully to the responses to the consultation. I ask that you reject the recommendation to make this unsatisfactory arrangement permanent on Dunsfold Rise, Meadow Rise and Fairfield Way.

Committee members should recognise that the objectors to this scheme are not restricted to those in the displaced area but also include residents who live right next to the Primary School.

I ask that the Committee votes on these three schools separately as they represent three distinctive areas requiring different solutions to their unique problems.

Finally Chair, should the Committee reject the views of a clear majority of local residents and make the zone permanent I would ask that officers immediately consider steps that will mitigate the severe impact that the zone is having on neighbours in the area outside the zone.

Thank you for allowing me time to address the Committee."

When it came to the vote, all Labour Councillors voted to push it through and all Conservative councillors voted against. Sadly Labour dominate the committee, and so permission was granted to continue with the scheme.



Pedestrianised Zone - Dunsfold Rise, Meadow Rise and Fairfield Way
13/07/2018 10:16:00.......Posted by Ian Parker

Coulsdon Town councillors have received many residents' objections to this pilot scheme by Woodcote Primary and High schools which restricts traffic on these three roads at school start and finishing times.  Last night, Labour's Traffic Management Committee approved the permanent introduction of the scheme despite the number of objections received from residents' associations, local residents and Coulsdon Town's three councillors.

Cllr Clancy, myself and other local residents spoke against making the scheme permanent. Yet again the Labour Council rides rough shod over the views of locals who are in the strongest possible position to comment on such matters.




Dust on Cane Hill
05/07/2018 14:42:00.......Posted by Mario Creatura


Know a few residents on Cane Hill have been concerned about the dust coming from the construction site impacting their property. I've looked into it and asked the Council to get in contact with the managing agent for the development. A reply has been received this morning stating that the area where earth movement was taking place which was the cause of the problem is being dampened down by the use of sprinklers. In addition to this measure, they have told us they are deploying a road sweeper to attempt to keep a handle on the problem.

They've said they met with those affected and have offered to clean the outside of your properties - if that isn't right then please do get in touch with my using

Residents should please keep me posted so I know the problem has or has not been resolved, and if not I'll sort it.



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